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Old 23rd June 2020
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Advice on manfrotto c-stand to hold boom, for sitdown docu..

hello,

i've read a few threads here about stands for recording sitdown documentaries in the studio, with some great advice.

previously we used k&m mic boom stands but i felt reach wasn't enough. so, this time i proposed we go with boom pole on a c-stand, via k-tek holder, fastened with manfrotto grip. for most flexibility and reach. km150 hyper on a rycote.

something like this: https://gearspace.com/board/attachme...-aea-atlas.jpg


i'm putting together an order from Thomann, and honestly am not sure if all this will work together. primarily because i'm unfamiliar with some of the connectors, grips and adapters in lighting stand world.

if you can throw a glance i'd much appreciate it:



c-stand and grip:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/manfrott...liding_leg.htm
https://www.thomann.de/intl/manfrott...head_2_1_2.htm

boom holder/cradle:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/k_tek_airo_abh1.htm
or:
http://smallhd.eu/k-tek-k-bc-boom-crable.html

boom:
https://www.thomann.de/intl/km_23765...shing_pole.htm



PS ive seen the manfrotto sandbags for the stand legs, but would also like to put one on the end of the boom. any suggestions?


thanks
Old 23rd June 2020
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I personally am not a big fan of these cradle boom holders. They are ok for the boom, but you will find that if you try and make a tilt adjustment to the rig once the boom is way extended, esp if it has a zeppelin on the mic, the boom will jump out of the holder and you suddenly need 3 hands to control the rig. Also, when lighting adjustments etc need to be made and you want to tilt the extended pole out of the way, the pole will slide downward in the cradle, and the whole thing is not very secure to pick up and move to a new position or set. I prefer a clamp arrangement like a Cardellini Clamp, which hold the pole rigidly. You have to be careful not to overtighten the clamp, as well as watch how leveraged the back section of the pole is, but this rig has been much easier to manage in a one-person dept situation.
Old 23rd June 2020
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The c stand ,sliding leg and grip are good
The boom is fair but the cradle is not
Clamp the boom to the c stand and use an Arri sand or shot bag as counterweight for long reaches.
Old 23rd June 2020
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Here is an inexpensive style boom holder.... https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Microp.../dp/B00YEEDJF6

Your boom pole is not my cup of tea, but since this is a sit-down it will work.

I would bag the C-stand, but the chances that you will need to counterweight the boom pole is slight unless you are way extended with a very heavy mic setup.

Best!
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Originally Posted by David W. Jones ➡️
Here is an inexpensive style boom holder.... https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Microp.../dp/B00YEEDJF6
+1 for this style of boom holder. Rare that I need to counterweight the boom except with a main pair out at 18'.

I suggest that you invest in a "real" boom pole if you have any chance that you will ever need to hand-hold it.

D.
Old 24th June 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philper ➡️
I personally am not a big fan of these cradle boom holders..
i see what you mean. while there will be more than one person managing it, but indeed it looks it might get problematic for minute adjustments.

Quote:
Originally Posted by philper ➡️
I prefer a clamp arrangement like a Cardellini Clamp, which hold the pole rigidly. You have to be careful not to overtighten the clamp, as well as watch how leveraged the back section of the pole is, but this rig has been much easier to manage in a one-person dept situation.
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Originally Posted by Rolo 46 ➡️
Clamp the boom to the c stand
i have thought of Cardellini clamp bfr, but wasn't sure which exact model should i get to fit the above C-Stand 25 and D200 Head Grip combination - could you perhaps recommend one that would work with these ?



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Originally Posted by David W. Jones ➡️
I would bag the C-stand, but the chances that you will need to counterweight the boom pole is slight unless you are way extended with a very heavy mic setup.

Best!
thanks, yes i doubt we will need to extend to maximum. also, Neumann km150 is very light and it will be on rycote suspension only, no blimp.


indeed pole is nothing too special, but they will do very little booming on location for this series, most of work is done in the studio sitdown.

to clarify, i'm not the boom operator, only helping them optimize this setup (my job on the project is composing score and audiopost). i've done few docu series with this production co., and seeing how audio i received on the last season while okay most of the time, had room for improvement, i took interest in how to best set this up.
Old 25th June 2020
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I have 2 Manfrotto boom clamps
They take 19 ,25 and 28 mm booms
I have a 3 section Panamic aluminium pole that extends to 18'
This will easily take a MS rig with a shot bag on the C Stand slider leg
Roger
Old 26th June 2020
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If you don’t need a Boom pole, why not use a Latchlake 1100 Boom stand.
It’s an incredibly strong and stable stand-far superior to a K&M stand (I own both).
Here’s a video review that I found online.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WYX8Pwoj334

The Spin-Grip accessory ( shown in the video)
adds a lot of flexibility to mounting angle on the end of the boom arm.
Old 7th August 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolo 46 ➡️
I have 2 Manfrotto boom clamps
They take 19 ,25 and 28 mm booms
I have a 3 section Panamic aluminium pole that extends to 18'
This will easily take a MS rig with a shot bag on the C Stand slider leg
Roger
1) USA question: Where does one get a nice long aluminum pole like your Panamic that can stand up to a Cardellini clamp?
2) can you rig a narrow A/B on a stand like this assuming Schoeps capsules on the new small preamp (I think CMC1)
Old 7th August 2020
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You can rig any known coincidence/ spaced array on a stable boom.
Roger
Old 8th August 2020
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Hmm, Roger. I sometimes put a Schoeps ORTF pair out on a boom at full extension (18'), well bagged and counterweighted with shot-bags, and it always makes me a bit nervous. Never had that rig fall down (thank God) but there is a substantial bow in the VdB boom-pole. I am not sure I would want to put a spaced pair on it with the added weight of even a short AEA bar with Schoeps out at 34cm, probably the closest I ever run an AB pair. Just seems like inviting unpleasantries.

I did watch my Panamic carbon fibre pole, out at 18' shatter one day on the set. It had an MKH816 in a Rycote zep with a dead cat at the end. Shoulda been okay, but it broke. No one was under it so it was just embarrassing. No blood was shed.

Just my $.02.

D.
Old 8th August 2020
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Carbon fibre can shatter, especially with temperature variation
Panamic aluminium poles do not, you can use it as a boat hook....
Rigging booms is common sense as always, does it look right, are the Public involved, if so be ultra cautious.
If in doubt reel in the boom and use a vertical stand.
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Originally Posted by Folkie ➡️
If you don’t need a Boom pole, why not use a Latchlake 1100 Boom stand. It’s an incredibly strong and stable stand-far superior to a K&M stand.
That does look like a cool stand and I'm considering one here, but at 10x the price of a standard K&M it's not really a fair fight!
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